Love, But…

…inter-religious. Yes, this is another controversial, orthodoxy-breaking post from me. You may disagree with my view, and even you may get offended, so I am sorry for any inconvenience caused. But please be noted that I merely express my concern and opinion, and don’t intend to offend you. If any disagreement occurs, I will just beg to agree to disagree. Good criticisms and corrections are welcome.

You have been warned, thus trolling will not be tolerated.

***

So I have ever been attracted to these two ladies. One is older than me, and one is younger than me. I can say that they are subjectively attractive to my eyes, if not beautiful. I like their behaviours, and from the past experiences, I can say that I get along well with them. Now, knowing that I am a Catholic, will you be surprised if I tell you that both are Moslem who wear hijab?

My stance regarding marriage is that I am neither racially, ethnically nor religiously picky. Behaviour, intelligence and beauty are the only selection methods I apply. I am willing to marry an atheist, as long as she is moderate, her behaviour interests me, and she is able to have an intellectual discussion with me (and vice versa). And yes of course she has to be physically attractive enough, standard procedure. Now, if I can marry an atheist, who entirely opposes my world-view, it must not be an obstacle for me to marry a theist of different faith, must it?

Nurul Izzah Anwar

For example, despite not being one of these ladies I am talking about, I find her attractive.๐Ÿ˜ณ

The obstacle lies, well, on their side. I am aware that although a Moslem man is allowed to marry a Christian or Jewish woman, Moslem woman is not allowed to do so, although implementations differ from country to country (source). To be fair though, in fact this is a “consensus” commonly agreed by people from many religions, including my own. For example, you can find in this article that the Portugal’s cardinal and the Vatican itself discourage marrying a Moslem.

Another thing is that, referring toย this old post, in my opinion religion is not fundamental. To me, love is more fundamental, whichever form it assumes. Love at its most honest level spans across the many backgrounds of humanity, be them political, geographical, cultural, religious, etc. It is wrong and shameful for love to be bounded by these worldly attributes. And no, this stance is not without Biblical support.

12 For to the rest I speak, not the Lord. If any brother has a wife that believes not and she consent to dwell with him: let him not put her away. 13 And if any woman has a husband that believes not and he consent to dwell with her: let her not put away her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife: and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband. Otherwise your children should be unclean: but now they are holy.

1 Corinthians 7: 12-14

Religions are supposed to be liberating, not oppressing.

As liberal as I can be, however, I am a conformist. Many people, maybe including you, my dear readers, disagree with this ultra-pluralist stance, and I can do nothing about it. I respect other world-views. It’s also undesired to break the person’s relationship with her family. Therefore, if I were to propose one of them, religious conversion is inevitable. However, – you may want to call me naive – I can’t see any good reason of conversion either. I am quite a follower of the following Gandhi’s statement.

“After long study and experience, I have come to the conclusion that [1] all religions are true; [2] all religions have some error in them; [3] all religions are almost as dear to me as my own Hinduism, in as much as all human beings should be as dear to one as one’s own close relatives. My own veneration for other faiths is the same as that for my own faith; therefore no thought of conversion is possible.

Mahatma Gandhi, All Men Are Brothers: Life and Thoughts of Mahatma Gandhi as told in his own words, Paris, UNESCO 1958, p 60

To paraphrase it according to my own interpretation, while it is true that religions differ in some doctrines, e.g. whether it was Isaac or Ishmael whom Abraham sacrificed, to me the core of religions is not on this issue. The ethical teaching and the spiritual aspect of religion hold stronger ground-truths. It is possible for you to follow the ethical teaching of religion A even if you are not an A. Conversion asks too much. Conversion needs you to also believe in the mythical doctrine, which I see is harder to change. For example, I am educated and was raised as a Catholic, in some sense I follow some of Siddhartha Gautama’s teachings, I appreciate sufists’ understanding of God (well just assume that these premises are true), but to me believing polytheism is hard. On the other hand, conversion for a mere marriage is just too shallow for a background. The ideal condition thereof is for a better-suited understanding of God and the world, and for the refinement of behaviour.

Dead end.

To conclude, if not because of these issues, I would have at least said to them that I put some interest on them. But this is impossible, unless they change their stance by themselves voluntarily, without any direct intervention from external parties, or the same thing happens to me. So, I can only keep this unrequited love to myself, again. Goodbye my potential love(s).

PS: don’t ask me who these ladies I mentioned are. If you are a Moslem woman and wear hijab, you might be one of the two.๐Ÿ˜‰

36 Responses to “Love, But…”


  1. 1 Frea 15/12/2009 at 10:48 AM

    Err, been there done that.
    Well, some people might call me abit secular for this and that (even my friend whom argued with me regarding the seating arrangement called me one!), but when it comes to inter-religious marriage, I cant say anything. Call me conservative, but I still cant, at least for me, to marry someone with other religion than me. There are many reason to that, most have been said by you (for me, my religion prohibit me to do so, I dont see any urge to convert, and they say there are still many fishes in the sea), plus I’m afraid that my children will be confused with their parents’ beliefs.๐Ÿ˜›

    So, well yah, I can only hope that the person–with other religion whom I interested in, is not my soulmate (yeah, I still believe on that fairytale shit :P). Otherwise I would end up as pathetic as Takaki. Because for me, finding someone whom I can lean on to and (most importantly) able (dan cocok) to engage in some intellectual discussion with me is hard enough. Now I have to search for another one because of this *sigh*

    *serius mode off*
    Hey, ini rupanya postingan patah hati!๐Ÿ˜ฏ๐Ÿ˜†
    *digeplak* xD

  2. 2 ManusiaSuper 15/12/2009 at 11:58 AM

    kalau cuma sekedar jatuh cinta, tidak masalah memang… tapi kalau ingin kawin secara hukum?

  3. 3 Felicia 15/12/2009 at 4:13 PM

    kirain kalo pulang kampung jadi libur ngeblognya…
    .
    errr, inter-religious love is always interesting to discuss…
    I once had a boyfriend who is a Catholic, I myself is a Protestant…It’s not as big as your problem here, but I do find that difference is somewhat interesting…
    At at time I learn about things such as Novena prayers, etc. just to help me understand him better…
    okay, enough for the nostalgia…
    .
    why don’t you tell them and see if they have the same feelings?๐Ÿ˜€
    .
    btw, why do you like two girls at the same time? pick one, don’t be greedy:mrgreen:

  4. 4 Sโ„ขJ 15/12/2009 at 4:43 PM

    i heard someone said, “islam is my religion, but my religious tradition is hinduism.”

  5. 5 G3mbel 15/12/2009 at 7:40 PM

    After long study and experience, I have come to the conclusion that [1] all religions are true; [2] all religions have some error in them; [3] all religions are almost as dear to me as my own Hinduism, in as much as all human beings should be as dear to one as oneโ€™s own close relatives. My own veneration for other faiths is the same as that for my own faith; therefore no thought of conversion is possible

    .

    I agree with the quote, although I had a unique view toward all things related to religion and divine discourse. for me all religions in society is a mere social institution, rather a mere political institution which is nothing but the instruments of power. while the problem was only limited to the deity trust issue only so it canโ€™t be disputed
    .
    but religion in my own view is just a way to achieve a goal. but religion is not a goal, religion is just a way. of course there are many ways to achieve a goal. and I think all the religions existing and ever, that would have had the same purpose. this goal might be god.
    .
    so actually I have religion for myself. yes only for myself but I still hold the religion heritage of my parents as a form of tribute to them.๐Ÿ™‚
    .
    related to inter-religious love for myself there’s no problemo I just consider everything outside of myself, such as family, relatives and children one day later. better co-religionists have had to minimize the potential problems that could arise.
    .
    yes I can understand the love between two religion is like the love with very dilemma . love between to world seem like something mentioned at the song ( Isabela ) where we must choose love or religion. and it must be very difficult choose.๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  6. 6 sora9n 15/12/2009 at 10:37 PM

    Firstly, a disclaimer – I am talking here as irreligious person, though with some degree of openness toward religions. So I’m not going to delve into scriptural talk and blah-blah… but I have to say I (once) had concern over this matter.:-/

    I myself consider it’s okay to go out with any girl(s) with any religion(s). But then you have to consider when it’s time to be serious — that is, she/her family/your family start talking about marriage. This is where everything may fall apart.

    You and your wife may have difficulties mingling with the opposite Keluarga Besar. Your children may have impaired religious education (which may result in a “5” in report cards). Your children may ask, “Why does mum/dad not going Shalat Ied/Christmas Mass together?”. Also, Indonesian law doesn’t acknowledge interreligious marriage — which may be hindrance when it comes about inheritance and such. This is lose-lose situation for everyone.

    That said, I have no problem with interreligious love. But marriage, well… it’s whole different level.๐Ÿ˜‰ We Asians still see marriage as “perfection of life”. Who knows what she/her family/my family will ask tomorrow? Heck, even now I can hear “Kapan kawin?” being asked in TV!๐Ÿ˜ˆ

    /yeah, I know this is long
    //cool story, me

  7. 7 bima 16/12/2009 at 6:36 AM

    as “a product” of an inter-religious marriage๐Ÿ˜€, I feel that this kind of marriage is not such a big problem as long as the couple can respect each other. Another important thing is that when you decide to date someone from a different faith, don’t even think about the chance that she will/may, in the future, convert her faith and join you (vice versa). These are two important points when you wanna have a serious inter-faith relationship.

    the next step is how to deal with the “keluarga besar dan lingkungan sekitar”๐Ÿ˜€

    my parents have been together for more than 33 years and they never have problem about faith issue๐Ÿ™‚

    *mudik bukanne nggo mencerahkan pikiran malah nggawe masalah baru toh mbe*๐Ÿ˜›

  8. 8 itikkecil 16/12/2009 at 10:42 AM

    *memilih buat oot*

    PS: donโ€™t ask me who these ladies I mentioned are. If you are a Moslem woman and wear hijab, you might be one of the two.

    sure, that’s not me. I don’t wear hijab๐Ÿ˜†

    *dikemplang lambrtz*

  9. 9 lambrtz 17/12/2009 at 2:05 AM

    Well, thanks to ManusiaSuper for the question, I remember that I forgot to mention one thing. To me, love and marriage are tightly coupled. Successful love should always lead to marriage, and marriage should be based on love.

    Another thing that I forgot to say is that, of course you can argue that if I really loved this(-ese) lady(-ies), I would convert and go across the boundary. However, this opinion uses an assumption that religion is more fundamental and you have to jump over to get to the other side of the fence, but I don’t believe in such a social architecture. Love is more fundamental than religion.

    @Frea
    Yes, I can understand that and can respect you for your stance. A moderate leftist! A nice person, amn’t I?๐Ÿ˜€

    Dan ya, ini postingan patah hati. Patah hati karena hal eksternal itu menyebalkan bukan.๐Ÿ˜€
    You know, when I got to know the older lady, she was in relationship with a guy who is, I can subjectively say, an average Joe, and I was jealous for that. But I couldn’t help to break the social construction, so I just took a photograph of them (as per their request one day), saved a copy of it on my PC, cropped the photograph and dumped the part with the guy displayed.

    @ManusiaSuper
    Ke Belanda, Bang.๐Ÿ˜€

    @Felicia
    Thanks for the sharing, but I think in the case of Protestant and Catholic I think it is not that severe, unless you live in North Ireland or Scotland, which is not the case. My mother’s brother, a Catholic, married a Protestant woman, and they keep their original religions.๐Ÿ˜›

    why donโ€™t you tell them and see if they have the same feelings?๐Ÿ˜€

    I think I will someday, but I have already known the answer. It will be a no. One of them said that she didn’t accept inter-religious marriage.

    btw, why do you like two girls at the same time? pick one, donโ€™t be greedy:mrgreen:

    No, not at the same time. The older lady is my college friend that I have known since 2003. The younger one, I just knew her far more recently.

    @Sโ„ขJ
    Sharing Mas?:mrgreen:

    @g3mbel
    *terharu* Brother… T_T
    I agree to (almost) all your sentences. Religions are mere ways, while the goal can be achieved in so many ways. And this is the reason I keep the religion I was raised with, and here I am, a liberal Christian. A lazy one though.:mrgreen:

    The problem for me is that, dating a girl means that eventually I will marry her (this is also a response to bima), so I can’t help thinking about this religion issue.

    @sora9n
    When I mentioned love, I also meant marriage. Sorry for the confusion.

    You and your wife may have difficulties mingling with the opposite Keluarga Besar.

    And my idealism says that it is their fault, not mine! But still, I can do nothing about it.

    Your children may have impaired religious education (which may result in a โ€œ5โ€ณ in report cards). Your children may ask, โ€œWhy does mum/dad not going Shalat Ied/Christmas Mass together?โ€.

    This. There are many ways in religiously educating children. “Because we have different religions.”๐Ÿ˜€
    (Am I naive? :?)

    Also, Indonesian law doesnโ€™t acknowledge interreligious marriage โ€” which may be hindrance when it comes about inheritance and such.

    I’ll strive to get married in a country outside Indonesia that allows such a marriage. Marriage is between me and my peer in front of God (for theist’s case). Countries just formalise.

    BTW, kapan kawin So?:mrgreen:

    @bima
    Sure, when imagining so, I never think that any of us will convert. Instead, I and she should keep our religions. I like them in their hijabs.
    BTW, may I ask, did one of your parents convert? Or does the marriage, even though inter-religious, comply with any religion’s official law?

    @itikkecil
    Yakin amat? :-“

  10. 10 jensen99 17/12/2009 at 2:07 AM

    So, I can only keep this unrequited love to myself, again. Goodbye my potential love(s).

    Cih!๐Ÿ‘ฟ

  11. 11 lambrtz 17/12/2009 at 2:09 AM

    ^
    Someday I will say to at least one of them, but I have already known the answer: no. A hard one. My conformity prevents me from “enlightening” them with my idealism.๐Ÿ™‚

  12. 12 Ali Sastro 17/12/2009 at 7:06 AM

    Conformity is fine, or tolerable, only when it doesn’t violate the inviolable principles you firmly hold in life [love is indeed fundamental]. To me, as a man who is now trying to maintain an inter-religious relationship, life is just too f**** short, too ephemeral for this kind of cowardice, or pragmatism. It’s not going to be easy, I know. Who says it will? But I choose poetic life than tragic defeatism, which I will one day regret, or even mourn.

  13. 13 lambrtz 17/12/2009 at 8:58 AM

    Be glad, your girlfriend accepts a man of different faith. As for this case, I don’t think any of them does.๐Ÿ˜€

    BTW, what is f****? It is too short for fucking.๐Ÿ˜•

  14. 14 Ali Sastro 17/12/2009 at 9:33 AM

    ^

    But our parents do not.

    And that, I mean the F word; kurang berapa huruf yak? Well you know what I mean lah. Kekeke…

  15. 15 lambrtz 17/12/2009 at 9:46 AM

    ^
    But you and your girlfriend do. You can just elope if you want, although I don’t recommend to do so. In my case, I can’t.

  16. 16 Ali Sastro 17/12/2009 at 10:18 AM

    So these two girls have told you that they don’t take interfaith marriage? You know, Lambrtz, they will probably have a change of mind soon after you tell them about your feeling. Ah, heck, this post is so ababil. You should write about the Century scandal; or the fight against corruption; legal mafia; poverty; education; or…eeehhh…well, pokoke you should make yourself useful!:mrgreen:

  17. 17 lambrtz 17/12/2009 at 10:20 AM

    ^
    I will speak to at least one of them, but still I can’t think of her changing her mind.๐Ÿ˜€

  18. 18 lambrtz 17/12/2009 at 10:25 AM

    BTW, ababils don’t quote Biblical verses (or from any other religious texts).๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  19. 19 G3mbel 17/12/2009 at 12:57 PM

    case seems to be different if the Christian man and a Muslim woman. This is more severe when compared to Muslim men and Christian women.
    .
    remember, O my brattโ€ฆ!!!๐Ÿ‘ฟ religion ( in general terminology ) are not more than dogma and doctrine. logic and conscience seemed to be no longer needed.
    .
    we know the doctrine of Islam is full of anti-conversion and the doctrine was very frightening. for example if a person converts from Islam to another religion is permissible for the kill ( man baddala dinnuhu faktuluh mentioned in one of hadits ) .
    .
    This especially happens at a Muslim woman with parents who are still minded orthodoxy. she could lose both parents, all the brothers n sisters and relatives. please keep in mindโ€ฆ!!! ๐Ÿ‘ฟ
    .
    if they are truly in love with a serious and impossible to separated. so the man should firmly make a decision. take away the womann into the distance. leave the whole family of both and start living independently. forget the past and look to the future with optimism. r u brave enough for this. donโ€™t be a coward and loserโ€ฆ!!!

  20. 20 Frea 17/12/2009 at 1:49 PM

    Patah hati karena hal eksternal itu menyebalkan bukan.

    It is, very much๐Ÿ˜†
    trust me, I know how you feel.๐Ÿ™‚
    .
    But well, as Sora stated, Sometimes I wonder if inter-religious relationship is actually okay, you can learn from each other’s differences, but since you mentioned that love means marriage, it becomes more complicated.
    However, I understand, to the extend that the relationship will only lead to nowhere, and that the relationship will eventually had to be ended because none of them accepts inter-religious marriage.
    This problem is frustrating, isnt it?๐Ÿ˜•
    .

    …. saved a copy of it on my PC, cropped the photograph and dumped the part with the guy displayed.

    That’s abit creepy๐Ÿ˜•
    .
    Oya, comment saya sebelumnya kayanya eror. Dihapus saja๐Ÿ˜€

  21. 21 Felicia 17/12/2009 at 4:39 PM

    in the case of Protestant and Catholic I think it is not that severe, unless you live in North Ireland or Scotland, which is not the case.

    errr…not really…
    Some genres of Protestant (maksudnya aliran, apa sih bahasa Inggrisnya? :D) are okay with it, but I know some people who got isolated from their community because they are dating a Catholic. And it happens here, in Indonesia.
    .
    Fortunately, my church seems to be okay with the idea of marrying a Catholic (or maybe I misinterpret what my priests said? :D), which is important because I’m (once again) in love with another Catholic man :p

  22. 22 G3mbel 17/12/2009 at 5:31 PM

    i dedicate the lyric for all of u guys just for imagine a hope u agree with me๐Ÿ˜ฆ
    .

    Imagine there’s no Heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world

    You may say that I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will live as one

    .
    Love is my religion n hope u so. we live in the same earth an the same sun. i know this place is’t best place to live . but we can make it a better place to live with Love ๐Ÿ™‚
    .
    saya tahu si Lambe pasti setuju…๐Ÿ˜‰

  23. 23 sora9n 18/12/2009 at 12:52 AM

    @ lambrtz

    And my idealism says that it is their fault, not mine! But still, I can do nothing about it.

    I know, just pointing out. Me not approving them in that case, either.

    This. There are many ways in religiously educating children. โ€œBecause we have different religions.โ€๐Ÿ˜€
    (Am I naive?๐Ÿ˜• )

    Not that it’s impossible, but it’ll probably take tremendous effort. Then again, I don’t have first hand experience…

    /know some 2nd hand stories though

    BTW, kapan kawin So?:mrgreen:

    Tidak dalam waktu dekat.:mrgreen: ๐Ÿ˜†

    @ Ali Sastro

    Ah, heck, this post is so ababil

    *ngakak di depan laptop*๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜†

    That’s mean, sir. I mean, that’s mean…

    /screw me
    //am going to hell for laughing๐Ÿ˜„

  24. 24 lambrtz 18/12/2009 at 1:57 AM

    @G3mbel (1)
    Yes, I know the stuffs you wrote about. And however wrongful it is according to my idealism, I still don’t like to break her relationship with her parent, so it’d be better not to start a relationship with her. I can’t carry that much burden.๐Ÿ™‚

    @Frea

    …that the relationship will eventually had to be ended because none of them accepts inter-religious marriage.

    I do. They don’t.๐Ÿ˜€

    Thatโ€™s abit creepy

    It was the past, and actually it was not that creepy. I didn’t do anything to the photo except viewing it for some heart-burning experiences. You know, I was a shy guy, very immature in expressing my love to a girl.๐Ÿ™‚

    @Felicia
    Oh, I’ve just known that.๐Ÿ˜•
    But lucky you, your church allows that, so I wish you a happy relationship with your boyfriend.๐Ÿ™‚
    BTW, aliran = denomination.๐Ÿ˜€

    @G3mbel (2)๐Ÿ˜† Yaya, I pretty much agree with that song. John Lennon is one of my lesser prophets.๐Ÿ˜› Saya ini hippie terlambat lahir 40 tahun.

    @sora9n
    …yes…it is hard, but it is worth a try, if the couple and their family support.๐Ÿ˜€
    And ababil doesn’t quote verses from Scriptures.๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  25. 25 Frea 18/12/2009 at 2:58 AM

    I do. They donโ€™t.

    Oh ya, My bad. Sorry๐Ÿ˜›
    .
    Well, wish all the best and luck for you and her then๐Ÿ˜‰

  26. 26 Zephyr 18/12/2009 at 12:26 PM

    Its complicated,

    and … just like Frea said : Wish u all the best…๐Ÿ™‚

  27. 27 Felicia 18/12/2009 at 5:26 PM

    @lambrtz

    I wish you a happy relationship with your boyfriend

    I don’t have a boyfriend๐Ÿ˜ฆ
    kataomoi desu๐Ÿ˜ฆ
    .
    @g3mbel
    nice song๐Ÿ˜€
    i remember those days in my youth when my priest said this song is evil (because it said “imagine there’s no heaven and no hell”), but it actually just hope for peace, rite๐Ÿ˜€

  28. 28 lambrtz 18/12/2009 at 9:49 PM

    @Frea, Zephyr
    Thank you.๐Ÿ˜€

    @Felicia
    Oops, sorry, my bad.๐Ÿ˜ฆ

    i remember those days in my youth when my priest said this song is evil

    Yes, indeed this song is evil. People wishing peace are evil. There should be wars. Vote Republican!๐Ÿ‘ฟ๐Ÿ˜†

  29. 29 Snowie 21/12/2009 at 2:07 PM

    Now, knowing that I am a Catholic, will you be surprised if I tell you that both are Moslem who wear hijab?

    Surprisingly, my answer is Not at all.

    Yeah~ I think I know how you feel.

    It’s quite hard if we fall in love or get interested with someone who has different religion with us.

    would have at least said to them that I put some interest on them. But this is impossible, unless they change their stance by themselves voluntarily, without any direct intervention from external parties, or the same thing happens to me. So, I can only keep this unrequited love to myself, again. Goodbye my potential love(s).

    I agree with this.
    Be the same religion, or say good bye for the potential love.
    Hufh~~

  30. 30 ManusiaSuper 22/12/2009 at 6:31 PM

    Ke Belanda, Bang.๐Ÿ˜€

    Ga-gay!

  31. 31 eMina 23/12/2009 at 8:47 PM

    oh, is that so…

  32. 32 lambrtz 31/12/2009 at 3:58 PM

    @Snowie
    Thank you for your understanding, and since she / they can’t marry a man of different faith, the story has to end before it starts.๐Ÿ˜€

    @ManusiaSuper
    Kok asosiasinya mesti ke sana ya.๐Ÿ˜›

    @eMina
    Is what so?๐Ÿ˜•

  33. 33 Snowie 01/01/2010 at 2:13 PM

    I tell you what! you don’t need to thanks me.
    Actually, I have the same idea with you about this matter. From the writing I can see that you got an interest to them, but after realizing the big burden of your future potential relationship related to the religion matter, you chose to stop it before it start. I do appreciate that. Really. Of course I have no right to blame your feeling. But, I do appreciate, you still want to use your logic thinking to make a decision. I know that’s hard, but you make it. Am I right, here?

    In other hand, if you try to tell that because of your feeling toward them you try to give any argument to allow you having such bi-religion relationship. I’ll hate you and it’ll be very difficult to me to be nice here.๐Ÿ˜ˆ
    Ah, forgive me to say something like that. u_u

    The conclusion is agree to be the same religion from beginning until the end or just let it go.๐Ÿ˜›

    P.S
    No offense to anyone who held bi-religion relationship, after all.


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